{"id":272,"date":"2018-04-10T20:04:24","date_gmt":"2018-04-10T20:04:24","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/rabbiyaakovfeldman.aishdas.org\/daattevunot\/?p=272"},"modified":"2018-04-10T20:04:24","modified_gmt":"2018-04-10T20:04:24","slug":"daat-tevunot-211-88-cont","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/rabbiyaakovfeldman.aishdas.org\/daattevunot\/2018\/04\/10\/daat-tevunot-211-88-cont\/","title":{"rendered":"Da\u2019at Tevunot 2:11 (# 88 [cont.])"},"content":{"rendered":"

Da\u2019at Tevunot<\/em>\u00a02:11 (# 88 [cont.])<\/p>\n

1.<\/p>\n

Whereas the soul will reign supreme in the ultimate epoch, as we saw 1<\/sup>, it will nonetheless have less and less of a presence the further down along the five epochs of time we go, when the body will have more 2<\/sup>.<\/p>\n

And so the next epoch downward — the second — is the one in which the body will actually be more manifest, while the soul will be less active and somewhat demeaned then 3<\/sup>.<\/p>\n

The body\u2019s situation then would be like that of someone having a vague and general memory of things, like \u201csomeone who\u2019d had a lot of troubles\u201d in his life who nevertheless had only a \u201cvague recollection of them\u201d then, and whose mood was somehow \u201cdampened\u201d, as Ramchal himself puts it here in the text. That\u2019s what we\u2019ll experience when the soul won\u2019t reign supreme any longer, and it would experience a sort of \u201cheaviness of heart\u201d, if you will, \u201cwithout quite knowing why\u201d 4<\/sup>.<\/p>\n

2.<\/p>\n

While the body will manifest itself indeed in the third epoch downward, it will only be able to do so to a degree 5<\/sup>.<\/p>\n

The body will be manifest in the fourth epoch downward 6<\/sup>, but it will be \u201clike the soul is in the world (now) — (which is to say,) a foreigner of sorts\u201d, as Ramchal puts it. That\u2019s to say that the soul will hold sway and the body will have to obey it. But the body would have to follow the \u201ccustoms of the land\u201d 7<\/sup>.<\/p>\n

In other words, Ramchal offers, the body\u2019s situation then would be like Moses\u2019 was when he stood atop the actual and physical Mount Sinai yet dwelt in Heaven, if you will, at the same time, when even though he was still very much alive and a physical entity he nonetheless didn\u2019t eat or drink the way one would act in Heaven 8<\/sup>.<\/p>\n

3.<\/p>\n

It\u2019s in the course of the fifth and lowest stage, however 9<\/sup>, that the body is in its full flower and is \u201clike the master of the house\u201d, Ramchal says, with all of its faculties intact 10<\/sup>.<\/p>\n

But there are potentially two degrees of that stage. The body could function on an animalistic level 11<\/sup>, or it could function on a holy one with noble and pure intentions 12<\/sup> (as would have been the case had Adam and Eve not sinned). After all, we all need to eat and drink and the like, but we could do those things in a holy way 13<\/sup>.<\/p>\n

Footnotes:<\/p>\n

1\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 <\/sup>See 2:10 above.<\/p>\n

2\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 <\/sup>It\u2019s clear that a lot is being alluded to in this chapter rather than spelled out. We\u2019ll do our best to provide some of what\u2019s hinted at here.<\/p>\n

The first thing is that the ultimate epoch cited above corresponds to the World to Come (see note 1 to 2:10 for the laying out of the chronology here as well the footnotes below). While there will<\/em> be a body then, it will be a very subtle and hardly-detectable material but non-material and porous sort of body.<\/p>\n

Now, given that the \u201cbody\u201d under discussion isn\u2019t just the physical self, but the personality, sense-of-self, etc. as we\u2019d been indicating in our notes here all along, it seems reasonable to conjecture that this refers to the idea that while one\u2019s immortal soul will be manifest in the World to Come, one\u2019s sense-of-self, self-consciousness, self-awareness, and personality will only be amorphous at best or perhaps even negligible but present nevertheless.<\/em><\/p>\n

3\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 <\/sup>This corresponds to the Day of Judgment.<\/p>\n

4\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 <\/sup>That is, the self will be able to recall its life and its sins and their consequent sorrows then, but at a certain remove. And it would consequently be able to assess those sins and itself more objectively, in keeping with the spirit of the Day of Judgment.<\/p>\n

5\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 <\/sup>This corresponds to the time of the resurrection of the dead, when the sense-of-self will be stronger, but it will be secondary to the sense of soul<\/em>.<\/p>\n

6\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 <\/sup>This corresponds to the messianic era.<\/p>\n

7\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 <\/sup>Ramchal cites Breishit<\/em> Rabbah<\/em> 47:5 which says, for all intents and purposes, \u201cWhen in Rome, (the body would have to) do as the Romans (i.e., souls) do\u201d (see Baba<\/em> Metziah<\/em> 86a as well).<\/p>\n

8\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 <\/sup>That is, the self will be so stunned by its radical change of circumstance in the messianic era that it could do nothing other than to acquiesce to its reality.<\/p>\n

9\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 <\/sup>This corresponds to the world as we know it now.<\/p>\n

10\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 <\/sup>As now, when we\u2019re sure that we\u2019re in charge of our circumstances and we believe that we needn\u2019t acquiesce to our soul\u2019s needs.<\/p>\n

11\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 <\/sup>Giving in to the body\u2019s needs alone and the ego\u2019s satisfactions.<\/p>\n

12\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 <\/sup>Acknowledging the ego and body\u2019s needs, but dedicating them to Heaven, the way we\u2019re expected to act on Shabbos<\/em>, when we eat well while nonetheless sanctifying the meals through Kiddush<\/em> and with the sense of the holiness of the day in mind all of the time (see Ch. 26 of Messilat<\/em> Yesharim<\/em>).<\/p>\n

13<\/sup>\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Ramchal has presented things from the highest level downward which makes it more difficult to grasp his points, so we\u2019ll now present them from the lowest level upward.<\/p>\n

The lowest level would be our current experience, where the body, as well as our sense-of-self or ego, hold sway and the soul is in check. His final point is that we can draw upon the soul even in this lowest of circumstances by living a physical life that\u2019s still and all rooted in spiritual goals, otherwise we\u2019d be nothing better than animals.<\/p>\n

Things will then begin to change in the next, messianic era in that the soul will be more prominent while the sense-of-self and ego will begin to be less important in our minds and in reality. That will be all the more so true with the approach of the day of judgment then the resurrection of the dead, when the sense-of-self will grow more and more negligible, and the soul will shine more brightly and assertively. And the ultimate experience will be in the course of the World to Come, when we will experience just the barest, slimmest sense-of-self in the face of the fullest most robust reality of the soul — and the presence of G-d — possible.<\/p>\n

(<\/span>c) 2017 Rabbi Yaakov Feldman<\/p>\n

Feel free to contact me at\u00a0feldman@torah.org<\/a><\/p>\n

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Rabbi Feldman’s new annotated translation of Rabbi Yehuda Ashlag\u2019s \u201cIntroduction to the Zohar\u201d is available as \u201cThe Kabbalah of Self\u201d on Kindle\u00a0here<\/a>. His annotated translation of Maimonides’ “Eight Chapters” is available\u00a0here<\/a>\u00a0and his annotated translation of Rabbeinu Yonah\u2019s “The Gates of Repentance” is available\u00a0here<\/a>.<\/p>\n

He has also translated and commented upon “The Path of the Just” and “The Duties of the Heart” (Jason Aronson Publishers).<\/p>\n

Rabbi Feldman also offers two free e-mail classes\u00a0torah.org<\/a>\u00a0entitled \u201cSpiritual Excellence<\/a>\u201d and \u201cRamchal<\/a>\u201d that can be subscribed to.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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